Anyone surfing around the low carb blogs and forums these days can't miss the controversy exploding over the latest low carb plan to hit the newstands: Kimkins.
The very short, very condensed version of this story is that a poster by the handle Kimmer over at Low Carb Friends creating quite a following by proposing that calories actually were important in low-carbing, and too many people were forgetting this. My very first post of this blog described Kimkins like this:
"Kimkins is a stricter version of
Atkins Induction, developed by a low carber named Kimmer. The basics of this approach to weight loss are:
- < 20 carbs (no fiber subtraction)
- 70-90 g protein
- just enough fat to make your menus work
- absolutely no low carb treats and very limited cheese
Being this strict ensures a state of real ketosis, symptoms of which include
strong appetite suppression and very rapid weight loss.
This is a chance to see what it's like.
Warning - not everyone likes the feeling, even if you're losing weight very rapidly."
The way I saw Kimkins back then was as I see the Atkins fat fast, the meat and egg fast, and the protein sparing modified fast I'm currently doing. It's a way to lose weight FAST, but realistically not a permanent way of eating. You have to transition from pure meat & egg at some point, same with the shake deal, same with Kimkins.
So what's all the fuss about?
Unilateral Nutritionism
Jimmy Moore used this phrase this week while defending Kimkins to describe the phenomenon of other low carbers turning against a new or stricter way of eating. I can personally testify to this happening to the Meat & Eggers thread at the Active Low-Carber forums (the first post of which was a description of the Kimmer Experiment!), and also to The Bear's "zero carb" thread. That's why there now exist two spin-off forums: Meat & Eggers For Life, and Active No-Carber Forums, for people who felt their chosen plans were constantly under attack. No doubt there is part of this spirit occurring with the Kimkins bashing. Whether people feel that a stricter plan is an implicit criticism of their own, or a bastardization of Atkins, are jealous of Kimmer's incredible success or genuinely believe this way of eating is unhealthy is hard to say, and I suspect there are folks in each of these camps and more.
Problems with the plan
For the people who want to debate the merits of watching fat as well as carbs, of counting calories and avoiding frankenfoods for clean eating...bring it on! I actually don't have a problem with the Kimkins plan as written - in fact, the shake plan I'm doing now is probably pretty close to one of the Kimkins options, which states you can replace meals with protein shakes. I LOVE losing weight quickly! I understand why people are so motivated by this, and I don't think it's harmful unless you get into a binge and lose cycle, or fail to recognize the need to learn healthy eating habits for maintenance.
The plan behind the plan
Here's where things get a bit sticky, for me. While Kimkins plan as written seems fine and doable and above board, a lot of posters over at Low Carb Friends have described her "plan behind the plan" - Kimmer's advice on her infamous "Ask Kimmer" threads there, which seemed to include some very dubious statements. The following transcript was quoted:
Poster: "Kimmer, I don't know what's happening. I
haven't cheated at all and I didn't loose a pound today.?? I ate maybe
4 bites of lean chicken,my coffee and two diet cokes. What causes a
stall? Is this normal or is my coffee finally catching up with me? Or
could it be bathroon issues? HELP ME KIMMER???"
Kimmer: "*name deleted* what's in your coffee? What
about constipation? What kind of chicken? What have you eaten the last
3 days?"
Poster: Coffee:SF carmel 2g carbs,30 cals,2.5 g
fat, per tbsp (I use 2 carefully measured) sweet n low (1 packet) 1 cup
day. 2 days ago I had 2 cups.
Friday Hardly nothing to eat,c 2 cups coffee,2 diet drinks,water
Saturday,1/4 chicken breast cooked in George Forman w/
salt,coffee my way,Snow cone w/ SF syrup2oz (did not measure) 5 cals,o
carbs o fat,2 diet cokes,
Today Roast beef broiled in oven about the size if a tennis ball 1 diet coke,1 cup of coffee.
Kimmer: "...Have you considered taking a mild
laxative each night you're doing "protein only"? Or, hate to even
suggest it, make up a batch of the horrible Epsom salt solution and
take a couple tablespoons each night?..."
Okay...bear in mind, I did NOT witness this conversation as it happened, and this is someone else entirely reporting the conversation. However, from the sheer number of people agreeing that this is exactly the sort of advice she gave, and other similarly disturbing examples of encouraging people to go lower and lower and lower on calories, I'm inclined to believe that this sort of thing was going on.
This advice is patently ridiculous. Anyone who tells you they're eating four bites of chicken and a coffee in a whole day needs, in this order, a big hug and a healthy meal. Many posters describe such a way of thinking as pro-ana (pro-anorexic) and it does set off all sorts of eating disorder warning bells.
HOWEVER...I also think it's possible to separate the pearls from the swine here. She doesn't seem to be giving this kind of advice through any official Kimkins channels, so I think people could follow Kimkins in a healthy way. This is little comfort to the people who had bad experiences with Kimmer over at Low Carb Friends, but taking a step back is necessary to evaluate the plan as it now exists.
Kimmer's identity
Here's where people get all conspiracy-theorist...
Kimmer refused to post pictures other than tiny, blurry avatars for some years, and when she finally did release before/after shots, people questioned whether it was the same person. Here, check out the pictures for yourself and see what you think:
Or check out the shots from the Kimkins site:
Personally, I haven't measured or scrutinized to this degree, but detractors are claiming that specific ratios of the facial features change between pictures, as does arm length.
Others are suspicious of her beautiful skin tone and shapely arms in the red dress picture, which looks more like a 20 year old than a 47 year old.
Here's another picture, Kimmer's avatar picture on Yahoo Answers:
To this I can say a few things: airbrushing works wonders, low carb does great things for the skin, but if I had to put my hand on my heart and swear, I don't think I could say the various pictures Kimmer has posted are all of the same person.
There is also a lot of suspicion over the fact that she has consistently refused in-person interviews and face-to-face meetings, even with some of her most successful followers. Jimmy Moore offered to fly out and meet with her in person, but no dice.
So, who cares? Jimmy Moore in particular seems to be saying that all of this is just a big ruckus about nothing - if the plan works, work it! And don't waste time looking up Kimmer's real name and address and trying to find the real person behind the name.
Critics claim that since she is not a doctor, the real authority behind this plan IS Kimmer, and her testimony about her plan should be backed up by more evidence than just words typed onto internet forums. Her claim that she lost 198lbs in 11 months is what drew people in to begin with, and that should be verified. Personally, I'm curious about why she wouldn't just put all this drama to rest by doing a few interviews in person. I don't think it's the kiss of death to her plan that she's a mysterious, missing person, but it does seem pretty shady.
Affiliate marketing
The Kimkins plan is marketed very successfully through affiliate marketing. This is when bloggers or other internet folks post links to the Kimkins site. When someone clicks on that link and joins the site, the blogger who posted the link gets paid! Woo! Currently, Kimkins affiliates make 25% of the $59.95 membership fee, which is $14.99 per joining member sent by the affiliate. Affiliates who signed up earlier could make up to 30-40% of the join fee.
Okay, this is nothing new in internet marketing. Check out the links to the Amazon books at the side of this site - if you click on and buy those books, I get some money. (I have made approximately 75 cents off this since my blog began, but hey, can't blame a girl for trying!)
The complaint is that various bloggers, including Jimmy Moore, are not being straightforward and open and honest by saying "I make X amount from promoting Kimkins!" There are many Kimkins support sites and blogs cluttered with links, some of which are probably genuine Kimkins-followers who want to share this plan and make a little money while they do so (no problem with that) and others who see this as a chance to make some quick cash and throw up fake sites with fake pictures and fake stories (not very ethical).
I think it's unfair to attack Jimmy in particular for having links and banners up to the site. He has banners and links to all sorts of low carb programs and products all over his blog. This is a guy who spends a huge amount of time each day blogging and reading and researching and responding to people who are curious about low carb life. Why shouldn't he be compensated for his hard work in building a massive readership and huge amounts of traffic to his blog by throwing links and banners up there?
I like Jimmy a lot. Do I think it would be more completely squeaky-clean for him to disclose to his readers that he's making quite a bit of money promoting Kimkins? Sure. Do I think that would fit with his straight-shooting, laying-it-all-on-the-table blogging style? Definitely. But is that holding him to very rigid standards of accountability that aren't necessarily expected elsewhere on the web? Yep, absolutely!
If you tweak it, it isn't Kimkins
Alright, last but certainly not least is the following information to consider from the Kimkins site:
"The original Kimkins Diet:
As much lean protein as desired from the Kimkins Food List
0-20 total carbs per day (no fiber or sugar alcohol subtraction)
0-3 cups List 1 veggies per day OR
0-2 cups List 1 veggies + 0-1 cup List 2 veggies per day
Use minimal fat to make your menu work (careful, calories count!)
No alcohol or low carb products (sugar free candy, energy bars, ice cream, frozen meals)
Your appetite will reduce naturally after 3-5 days
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements." [My emphasis added.]
Kimmer also clearly states in the instructional section:
"Question: Can I modify the Kimkins Food Lists?
Please don't. If it's not the list [sic], don't eat or drink it! Remember that Kimkins is a lean low carb plan. The #1 reason for slow weight loss is 'modifying'."
And a quote from Kimmer on Low Carb Friends:
"I hope you won't think
I'm a total snot for saying this, but please don't "modify" Kimkins.
Just call your plan Atkins instead."
This has people running around yelling that Jimmy Moore isn't in fact doing Kimkins, since he HAS modified it to include some foods he enjoys like Chocoperfection chocolate bars and some low carb wraps. How dare he claim he's losing all this weight from Kimkins, give Kimkins all this credit, when in fact he isn't actually doing Kimkins?
My thoughts on this are first, congratulations to Jimmy for being honest about what he's eating. How much easier would it be to just pretend he's sticking to pure Kimkins, and not have to face any of these detractors?
Secondly, who the heck doesn't modify their eating plans?? Every single person I know on the Meat & Eggers Forum has personalized their plan, some including Cool Whip (why, I have no idea, but hey) and others adding veggies back in, still others carb-cycling.
The important thing here is that Jimmy Moore and countless others have taken the general guiding principle of Kimkins - watch the fat along with the carbs, and calories will limit themselves - incorporated that principle into their diets, and seen amazing results.
I'm not sitting here thinking, "Oh, well, he's not really doing Kimkins, so all this is crap," - I'm thinking "Damn! He's eating all those frankenfoods and STILL losing all that weight? Kimkins is scary fast!"
Scary is right, and that's where I'll finish this gargantuan post. People are scared by fast weight loss for a whole host of reasons, some sound and valid criticisms, others not so worthy of attention. People are rightfully scared by doubts and shadiness about Kimmer's identity, and rightfully worried about the previous disturbing eating disorder-esque advice.
I think it'd be relatively easy to clear up a lot of this fear and doubt and infighting by Kimmer coming clean about her identity and putting the picture doubts to rest once and for all. I wish she'd do that.
I also think that, parsing through all of the fighting and anger and genuine hurt, there's some sound dietary advice to be had from the Kimkins plan as written. Too many low carbers return to Atkins Induction with bad habits from previous low carbing stints - eating frankenfoods, being used to massively fatty portions and overeating, skyrocketing their calorie counts and wondering why the weight isn't dropping off. Kimkins manages to cut out a lot of these problems by stripping Atkins down to the bare essentials (she admits her plan is simply a tweak of the original Atkins from 1972) and limiting fat to what's needed for cooking.
As I wrote last year, I believe this is a very useful tool for dropping you in deep ketosis and stripping your diet down to the bare essentials. You can then add in different foods and experiment with what works for you personally.
And hopefully, hopefully, all of us can sit down over some Kimkins-friendly, Atkins-friendly, Zone-friendly, Stillman's-friendly, Bear-friendly chicken and be friends again.
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